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SPEAKER_00 1:42

So, Timothy, I'm doing a lot of research on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth and the Emerald Tablet Singular of Hermes. Yeah. And we're trying to get down to the bottom of if these tablets actually existed, whose hands they passed through, and can we find any account of them? So, what is the earliest recorded mention of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes that you know about and does it compare to the Emerald Tablets of Thoth in any way?

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Uh well there's two there's two accounts I've been made aware of related to the Emerald Tablet itself. Uh the first was supposedly Alexander the Great discovered it uh in Egypt, actually at uh the area of the Ossyrian, um which you which you're very familiar with. You spend time there. Uh supposedly he he discovered one of these tablets there or in that region. Uh and Aristotle helped him to translate it and uh and it was uh whatever information he got from it was was valuable to him for his his whole campaign that he did thereafter. Uh as you know, there's some speculation that he may even be buried near Saqqara uh and there's statues of him in the region that they found. So um so that's the that's the first source that I found. The other source, and and that was supposedly uh he he found the tomb of uh Toth or Hermes uh in that region, and that's where he discovered this tablet. So um the other reference that I found to it showing up in history had to do with uh Apollonius of Tyana was also said to have had this tablet. Now, according to esoteric tradition, Apollonius of Tyana, you know, his Apollonius just means little Apollo.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

And uh and according to some esoteric accounts, Apollonius was actually the apostle Paul you know, associated with Christianity, and and uh Apollonius just got shortened to to Paul, you know, and uh and so that he also um had this tablet for a while. Uh you know, Apollonius from a historical standpoint was uh just as a side note, he he was said to be crucified as well. Uh the the he said he was the son of God, they crucified him, and the and the Roman soldier said, Well, if you're the son of God, then get off that cross. So he did, went on and off to live the rest of his life. So so you know, he was a very fascinating figure, um, you know, uh in in ancient times. You know, it's hard to know how much is myth and how much is is truth, but that's one of the other early references to that particular uh tablet. You know, later on, uh you find you find uh versions of it though all over the world. I mean, uh they found them in China. They're probably brought to China by the uh Manichaeans out of Egypt, you know, a Gnostic sect who who who valued the writings of Hermes. Um we know that the Manichaeans traveled from Egypt, you know, all the way into China. In fact, the Ming dynasty of China may even be named after the Manichaeans because there were so many Manichaeans in the Chinese court at the time, and Ming just means light, and they referred to themselves as the uh as the sons of light is what they referred to themselves as. So uh it's possible that's highly probable, that's where they got the Emerald Tablet, uh at least translations of it. Yeah. Uh but we find it even going up into the modern world, Isaac Newton did a translation of it. It was very important to him and his alchemical work he was doing. So, you know, it has a has it has a long history as far as that goes.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yeah, extended history. I mean, so many hands have touched this material and come up with inspired translations. Everyone from the Queen of Sheba, Sir Isaac Newton, St. Thomas Achinas. Yep. I mean, Crowley or Crowley, right? How you want to pronounce it. So so many people have had this information come through their hands. Some researchers claim that the animal tablets of Hermes originated from Arabic traditions. So, what have you heard about that? And is there any more knowledge that can connect the Arabic people to the tablets?

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Sure, there there was there was a number of alchemists that were of Islamic uh and Arabic sources, particularly uh Jebel, who is actually where we get the word gibberish from, yeah, uh, because people didn't understand you know his uh what he was talking about alchemically, but but a number of these Arabic sources were uh we have to remember that uh after the Roman Empire fell, uh a number of Greek and Roman texts in Egyptian, you know, which really came from Egyptian sources, uh had fallen and had been, you know, no one knew about them. And it wasn't until uh a number of Arabic translators started retranslating them and making them available that uh then they began to see the light of day uh again. You know, a number of these were um mystical Islamic uh sources, but there were also Druze and Sabaean sources that were also translating these things. Uh in particular I want to emphasize the Druze. And this is really where the Templars got got this information and brought it back to Europe because they had close association with the Druze, uh who also were known as the uh Tahid Muhadun uh at the time, but they were uh you know they were Hermeticists and they they they actually venerated Hermes as one of their prophets. So it was natural for them to translate these texts and to uh then make them available to the Templars who they had close association with who then brought it up into Europe from there.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Yeah. These tablets really took a journey around the planet. I mean, everywhere you look, it seems as if no matter what continent somebody had gotten access to this information, yeah. It kind of hints as a global civilization, the ability for people to travel to and fro, uh obviously not by mainstream standards, but in some way they were able to travel. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

And and and and this kind of goes back to this idea of Atlantis. Uh in fact, in the Mayan tradition where they which they referred to it as Otsalon, they said that uh Otslan originally had as many as 2,160 of these green tablets. Now, sometimes they were referred to as emerald, other times they're referred to as jade. You know, we don't really know exactly. They just said it was a green stone tablet, and that they they inherited some of them and brought them uh into Yucatan after the collapse of Otzlan. And of course, you know, Otslan and Atlantis are pretty much the same you know, things. Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

And it's uh they found some remnants of the Otslan wall, somewhere kind of meandering through Texas, kind of into the Mexican area.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Yeah, yeah, they did, and and they, you know, according to to the Mayan tradition as well as the Chiapas Indians of the area, you know, they said that uh basically, you know, it was this there was this central hub that was that had influence all over the world, and that it it was destroyed in cataclysm and they had to escape in boats, and they uh you know they ended up settling in the Yucatan, yeah, and then from there they kind of spread out. But uh but they brought some you know as many of these tablets with them as they could according to to their tradition.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

So the tablets seem to have passed with so many hands. Can we trace back the original author to Thoth the Atlantean priest king or Thoth out of ancient Camet or Egypt?

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Yeah, I mean uh that that seems to be the case. Uh certainly later he's referred to as Hermes, but you know, Hermes is just the Greek name for Toth. Right. And uh it and well, at least according to the uh the the Mayan and the Chiapas Indians from the region and the Nawado cultures in the region, they say that these tablets were originally written by a person by the name of uh Votan. And uh Votan was this wise person who who uh taught pe peace and uh and stability and and and how to uh build civilization after things had collapsed. And uh and later, uh you know, of course, when the Spanish went to conquer these tribes, uh they there was uh uh a church bishop by the name of uh uh Nunez de la Vega uh in 1691 who rounded up all of the tablets that they could find and all the writings of Votan and uh made them disappear. Now we don't know if he destroyed them or if he turned them over to the the Roman church, but that was kind of the last that they were seeing. Um it should be pointed out though that that uh votan, if you you know, in in most languages V and W are interchangeable. Correct. So Voton would be votan, which in the Norse tradition is toth. Yeah. So I mean it's it's it's it's they votan would be toth and uh and these tablets, these green tablets likely and probably were you know emerald tablets that uh uh that we're familiar with.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

So right, absolutely. The connections are all there, and so it's really leading to the point that these tablets seem to be a real physical construct. In other words, they were something that people can actually touch in their hands in the third dimension, not just some mysterious thing that uh somebody thought up in their mind.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Yeah, that's right. Well, and and I'll tell you from a Templar perspective, uh we you know we we had attained one of these tablets. Uh it does in fact look like emerald or jade, but what we actually found that it was was it was a um it was a copper acetate. So when uh copper acetate, when copper is crystallized as an acetate, it looks just like this. I mean it it looks like emerald or uh or jade. And uh so this is probably what they were made out of. And and the reason for that is you can actually take that copper acetate, and if you do an alchemical process to it, you can extract from it uh copper monoatomic uh atoms, which are supposed to be really good for your health, like yeah, and and in particular um for your skin and and that type of thing to to uh I don't know, help prevent aging, actually. Helping wellness and everything, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

I have a copper knee brace and has covered in it.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I've I have some uh copper support socks, so same thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Exactly. Yeah. So it seems like these emerald tablets, like we said before, had passed through a lot of hands, and you've already authenticated from your personal research that though the Atlantean is the author of these tablets and that their physical structure. So I'm trying to I'm trying to gleam where could these tablets possibly be? And you know, we have the singular tablet, we have the emerald tablets. From your knowledge and your knowledge base, where do you think these tablets were located?

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Well, uh, I mean, there's certainly the the that Mayan account that uh in 1691 where this uh bishop uh confiscated them. I mean, I I would assume they would be turned over to the Vatican at that point. So there's there's a good probability they're in the Vatican archives. Um that said, there there are other people who have written on the validity of these things. In fact, uh if you if you pick up uh there's a great researcher, George Hunt Williamson, who was a uh oh he he was a UFO researcher, but he you know he did a bunch of other stuff. He used to work for the University of Arizona doing uh archaeological work. Um and uh he he wrote in his book Secret Places of the Lion, he talks about some of the history of these emerald tablets and and how they were passed between uh both Egyptian and Mayan hands. Uh in fact, he even sources the the pharaohs that had these tablets. Now, where he was getting that information from, I don't know. But uh supposedly uh there there were people like uh uh the the character Doriel who first did one of these publications of it. This is where he was getting his information from, was was from uh George Hunt Williamson. And it should be pointed out too, George Hunt Williamson is also who Indiana Jones was based off of. That's true. So it's you know, he was uh he was a professor and he and he also did some work at the University of Colorado, as I understand it. And uh by some accounts he had gotten a hold of one of these tablets or some of these tablets. Now there was a also an organization that was formed uh in Larkspurg, Colorado for a time uh that was um referred to themselves as the Great White Fraternity, and they were preserving some of George Hence Williamson's works, and by some accounts they had acquired some of these tablets, but they've since disappeared. So you know it's hard to know where they were after that.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

Gotcha. Yeah, it's that's a really intriguing question because I know that uh there's supposed to be an emerald tablet or some reference to it in Cambridge in the UK. Yeah. Um, and which is uh a tablet that is a singular tablet. Right. And so what do you think the difference is between the two writings?

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Well, they're they're both attributed to Toth. Uh the singular tablet, you know, is is just uh, you know, this is a replica of it right here. I mean, it's uh it's a it's an alchemical recipe, basically. Uh and of course, alchemy, I'm under the belief that alchemy was the science of Atlantis. Uh you you find the same alchemical ideas all over the ancient world and uh even using the same ingredients and everything else, which seems to suggest it was part of that worldwide tradition uh that came out of Atlantis. And I mean you just can't explain it any other way. If you're finding the same recipes in India as you're finding uh you know in the Yucatan, uh I mean it it is part of that worldwide thing, and and of course, Egypt. So I I I believe that the emerald tablet was one tablet of those 2,000 tablets that Atlantis was said to have had. But then the other tablets, you know, what you're referred to as the Emerald Tablets of Toth that you have written about, um, those, you know, those are the other some of the other versions, you know, of of those tablets, I think, that came out of the same the same thing and uh and that are attributed to Toth, later known as Hermes or or Mercury or you know, you know, other names depending on the cultures.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yeah, very same known around the world. Yeah, exactly. I even went out to Australia and did a walkabout with some Aboriginal elders and and and uh researchers, and they showed me this huge petroglyph in the ground at Carion Nine in the Outback, and it's Thoth from Egypt.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

And they called him called him Thoth the Mobi, and they say he's riding in his skyship through the Milky Way galaxy. Wow. That's wild. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

I I've seen pictographs in uh the Utah region near um uh an area known as Horseshoe Canyon, uh where there's depictions of toath as well, um more in the lines of uh traditionally the Greek Hermes, I mean, with the with the feathered uh cap, you know what I mean? Which is really just uh if if you look at it, it it looks like a disc, a flying disc is what it is, that's that's on his head. Yeah. You know, they just have the wings to show that it's flying. But uh uh I've seen I've seen uh pictographs of that in Utah. So it's i it is uh worldwide. And um and you know, of course, according to the Sumerian tradition, uh Toth was really Inky, who was who was the person who decided to help save mankind, you know, yeah, and uh save humanity from the cataclysm that was gonna come. And um and uh and then he provided wisdom to to people after the cataclysm, you know. So uh it you you do find it worldwide. And uh and so therefore we shouldn't be too surprised if we find the same teachings associated with these tablets worldwide.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Exactly. It's like circumstantial evidence, right? Yeah. So in America, if you have enough circumstantial evidence, you can actually convict somebody of a crime.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

So if we're investigating the crime of the existence of the Emerald Tablets, we start seeing all this circumstantial evidence leading to one character being Thoth, and also leading to the fact that these teachings obviously have been replicated and duplicated all over the world.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Yeah, that's exact that is that is true, absolutely. Um hundred percent. And you know, and they they alluded to not only some of the history but but some of the sciences that that needed to be looked into uh in order to build humanity up to uh you know to be like Toth himself. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

You know, yeah, it seems as if the writings are really a sp uh uh a version of sp of the teaching of spiritual enlightenment, yeah, and to help mankind realize the true power that lies inside of him and for him to become the light and seek the light, to become the son of the light.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Yeah, that's that's absolutely right. Yeah. You know, in Egypt, there's even uh a speculation that uh uh Imhotep, who built the uh was was credited with building the steppe pyramid of Zozer and having all of this alchemical knowledge and understanding uh was toth and uh later groups like the therapeuti uh uh you know w were trying to

SPEAKER_00 22:01

preserve his knowledge and uh and and use it to heal people and that's so they were known as great healers um and uh you know by tradition immotep was hermes who was toth um falling right in line with everything that the those tablets say about him right so what I found through my research as well is that you know this this character thoth seems to show up everywhere as different people different names yeah and uh for example down into Mexico in the Mayan region you know uh Quetzalquatl Kukulkan maybe even Lord Pakal or a relative of Lord Pakal Ver Veracocha you know of course throughout Europe uh Mercury Odin uh you know uh with various different names and then of course uh like I said Australia Thothamabi Africa Jehuti Tehuti and also Thoth all being Tuhat by the Phoenicians the Phoenicians referred to him as Tuhat that's right yeah Tuhat that's right and uh when I was down in Bor Borah which is actually where I I got married uh a year ago uh they also had a depiction of Thoth and uh use that very similar name and said that this island was attributed to him and if you draw line straight through the earth from Borabora you pop out right at Cairo in Egypt which is bizarre. Incredible yeah incredible yeah so we see this connection this global connection we even see believe it or not an interplanetary connection so we have some space anomaly hunters uh in a group that we have called the United Family of anomaly hunters and what we do is we probe through space probe data from rovers that have gone to the moon and Mars and even space probes that have gone beyond uh Huygens probe and so forth so that landed on Titan right but we've analyzed a lot of the images uh from these space agencies and one of the most incredible images I ever saw was one anomaly discovered by Martin Graney on Mars and it looks like Mercury's cap with the wings on it. Wow clear as day and it's just laying on the Martian desert floor and what in the world would that be doing there an exact replica well not say exact a similar a similar uh image of what an of an anomaly to something we would find on earth relating to Mercury.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Yeah um this connection just seems to be potentially out of this world I I think it was well and if you look at the Egyptian texts I mean uh you know her uh Toth was was known for um for example uh when Horace got in a in a battle with Set and you know he had Horace had a blue eye and a red eye and uh his the the red eye got destroyed but uh Toth um was the one who was able to restore his sight through you know his through a concoction with his spit but like it was but in uh in in Egyptian mythology eyes were associated not only with different perspectives but but also sometimes they were associated with planets you know so the blue eye and the red eye could literally be Earth and Mars. Yeah and uh and with the idea that some sort of destruction happened on Mars associated with that you know I mean uh uh and uh course but but Toth was the the restorer he was the keeper of the word he was the one who could uh restore civilization and um yeah we see this we see this in the Emerald Tablets where Kemet seems to have suffered a great flood and he's told to get into the great ship of the master yeah and he lifts off because we know this because he doesn't sail out he goes up into the sky and then he sees the temples beneath him and he descends down in an area where it had been decimated and he began the the rebuilding process with the people there in ancient Kemet. Yes right well and and we even find allusions to it uh at least his influence in the Old Testament with Moses because what he was really doing up on the mountain was alchemical procedures and that's the reason why he uh came down with soot on his face and of course when he came down he saw everyone worshiping a golden calf which was really just a symbol for the age of Taurus uh and he uh he burned the golden calf into a powder to feed them which really is an alchemical process right that's how you you you convert gold into monoatomic gold right so uh you know this was all part of that process associated with Hermes but but even when he was said to be able to turn his staff into a serpent and then back into a staff again well this is really the symbol of the caduceus right which was the symbol of Hermes or toath and we find that symbol if you go to almost all the temples of Egypt you f you you see it flanked on the on the doors uh of the temples you know you'll see a big staff with a serpent going down it and uh that was that related to the wisdom of toth and uh so the fact that Moses was even using this as a symbol uh suggests that he was learning the wisdom of tothes we find this later emphasized as well uh when he's leading the uh the Hebrews in the desert and uh he needs to cure them of snake bites so he he erects a uh a staff in the desert with a uh it with a serpent on it to to help cure them of snake bites and it should be pointed out that um Nikola Tesla actually believed that uh this was really the foundation of his his uh Tesla coil because the word for copper in Hebrew is nehesh and the word for serpent in in Hebrew is nahash so copper and and serpent were pretty much the same word.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

So if you made a coil out of just like a a a serpent will coil itself if you make a co a co a serp a coil out of copper um you know you could create this Tesla coil and and if you you apply electricity to snake venom the proteins actually separate and so it it it's no longer poisonous to a person. So wow um you know so there was real science there uh advanced science uh if if you accept that theory as Nikola Tesla did uh that uh you know goes back to toth and and is being preserved in the Torah or or the old testament uh related to Moses himself so right exactly you can see the influence there yeah and isn't that the same symbol still today for a medical or for a it is yeah that's exactly right yeah and you find that symbol by the way you you know you find that symbol of course the Greeks utilize it you you find it on the Egyptian temple walls but but you also find it as far away as Mongolia and India and uh and and other places and their art and their tapestries you know related to the same idea so it's it's really uh again we're good talking about that universal idea right exactly and and oh I'm sorry one other thing when when you we find it associated with the Caduces the American Medical Association of course you have a you have a staff you have the two serpents going up it to a pinnacle which then has wings right so we're combining the the serpents with the wings right uh or or the flying serpent which is of course the same symbol that we find uh associated with quatsukodal yes and and others in the Americas so it's a again it's a universal idea yeah universal and so a lot of this predates even the birth of Michael Doriel for example so oh completely yeah completely completely yeah I mean yeah yeah I mean it's going back I mean even the Emerald Tablet talks about this idea the the singular emerald tablet you know one of the the the first ideas it suggests is as above so below right well this is really what's being emphasized symbolically as well between the serpents and and the birds right yeah because the the serpent crawls on the ground on the below and the and the birds fly in the above right so a winged serpent would be a combination of as above so below and and even Jesus himself said be wise as serpents and gentle as doves right again yeah combination of the above and the below the the the serpent and the bird you know so it it it it carries over uh into many uh many different ways right right incredible and so some of the alchemical texts describe the emerald tabs of Hermes as a key to unlocking the philosopher's stone yeah so now we're getting into alchemy yeah do you know anything about the correlation between those two yeah completely um yeah I mean the the the philosopher's stone of course was this substance that was said to be able to raise consciousness heal the body and transmute base metals into gold right um and really in this part of is what Isaac Newton was trying to study as well as uh Robert Boyle and uh uh Jean Theophilus Desigalier and Robert Moray and and others who are members of the Royal Society uh but they they um according to their tradition you know as as they outlined it they believed and Benjamin Franklin too also was studying this amongst others but like uh according to them the secret salt of alchemy was this monoatomic gold which uh could be found on the Egyptian temple walls uh as you're familiar with and uh and uh but you also find it in in Indian alchemy uh in called the Rasayana uh alchemy which was uh the name of alchemy in each in ancient India and other places around the world ancient China again it's universal yeah uh but that secret salt according to tradition the the the philosopher's stone had three parts they had uh salt a sulfur and a mercury and the secret salt was this monoatomic gold and so once you figured out the other two parts you could combine them in such a way to produce this philosopher's stone right which was able to do all these things um but that secret salt however was also referred to as mana in the Bible and we find it uh in uh Vedic traditions is as referred to as Vimana uh which was also associated with flying craft and we find it in Sumerian this as shimana which was also associated with flying crafts of the Anunnaki so there's a connection between this mana and and levitation uh and and in in uh in uh the Torah uh this mana was stored in the Ark and Ark of Covenant yeah which was guarded by the Levites and uh the Ark of the Covenant was would have weighed just based on the amount of gold and everything else on it would have weighed a couple tons and yet just a few people could carry it with rods. And so the Levites is probably the origin of the word Levitation where we get levitation from today. Yeah. So and and this was also said to be associated with King Solomon's flying ship which uh is mentioned in the Keberkanask which is an Ethiopian uh text where it talks about King Solomon used to use this mana for his flying ship and he would fly from Ethiopia to Jerusalem and back and forth to visit his wife Queen of Sheba.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

So uh and Sheba itself probably comes from Saba which means Stargate in ancient Egypt. So it's all kind of connected there and um and the and the Sabaeans uh which is another branch out of Ethiopia again they get the their name probably from Saba or or Sheba and uh they've carried on true part of this tradition as well. So it's and it all goes back to the science of tote.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Yeah all of it it's all related. It's all related yeah it's all related and all of this predates um Michael Doriel and the reason why I keep saying Michael Doriel is because there seems to be uh at least on some online sources that uh some statements made that uh somebody just sat down in the 1920s and decided to make a sci-fi movie right and write the Emerald Tablets but it's a lot deeper than that.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

A lot deeper yeah there's there's a I've even heard it suggested that Doriel was the esoteric name of George Hunt Williamson who was you know this archaeologist who was uh came across this stuff I mean Dor Doriel from a I mean it certainly sounds like an esoteric name right it does it does yeah and um you know one of the things that I've seen with the information in the Emerald Tablets is a lot of the information references science some of which we didn't discover or rediscover yeah until modern times.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Right. Right until the 1970s eighties nineties you know maybe some of it maybe the 40s but a lot of the science there that's being described it didn't exist. Right. So how do you make up a story based on science that doesn't even exist?

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Yeah yeah that's that's exactly right um even the uh you know the some of the references to uh uh the uh toth uh you know coming across some of the people of Egypt you know and and and passing on his knowledge and and how they were uh you know at first you know confused by these uh these ships coming in and and uh and and and involuntarily falling on their bellies you know uh we find this in uh Egyptian papyri uh from the time of Tutmosis III as well uh particularly the Thule manuscript so you know we find references to these things in the ancient world that that correspond to what we're finding in the Emerald Tablets and uh which which gives credence to the idea that they were they weren't just made up later on.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

I mean uh they they they had a historical connection of some kind and those sciences uh are the sciences it could be argued those are the sciences of Atlantis and that Toth was a I don't know like a a prominent figure a leader or something something from that one of the greatest students possibly yeah exactly yeah for sure a hundred percent yeah and his his mission was always to bring more knowledge and wisdom and civilization everywhere he went yeah that's right yeah you know in Egypt he's he's represented sometimes as the ebus bird and sometimes as a baboon um uh and by the way this is where uh in in the Disney movie the Lion King the the character of Rafiki who is the baboon yeah that was toth I mean uh and uh and from a from a a secret kind of Masonic connection uh you know Rafiki's always depicted with this cane with these two balls on it uh which is where you get the word two ball cane right who was the the in the Bible was the inventor of metallurgy or alchemy uh but he was said to be uh uh again mastering the science of Hermes or Tothes so it was it was the same yeah you know those that symbolism gets passed down in interesting ways right it seems as if Thoth was one of the originators of maybe several but one of the originators of these ancient mystery teachings yeah long before it was called Egyptian mysteries yeah it's these mystery teachings and that these mystery teachings seem to have only brought in adept initiates to to obtain this knowledge and wisdom but over time what I found is that when these great leaders and these great ascended masters kind of vanished disappeared maybe they died passed on or wherever they went that others who had re were the recipients of you know generations later the recipients of these teachings kind of broke off and started creating these secret societies.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Yeah that's correct yeah uh you know one of the ideas associated with the myths of Osiris in in the Egyptian tradition is that Osiris Osiris of course in the in the myth he's he's tricked by his brother Seth he's chopped up into pieces and Isis ends up reassembling him that's this very short version of it but but uh you know one idea is that Osiris himself actually represented Atlantis and that when it when it uh collapsed uh right before it collapsed there were uh pockets that were sent out to different parts of the world to try to preserve what was there and that uh the re really the reassembling of Osiris is tracking down those pockets of wisdom to bring bring back together again now uh Osiris got his authority from Isis whose name really means throne or seat so she was like the uh she represented the power right the powerhouse uh he represented the tradition that was being preserved the Atlantean tradition but it was all to preserve the wisdom of Toth right who was the the soul if you will of that Atlantean tradition and so um it really what we're talking about when we're when we're looking at all All these different cultures that are preserving the memory of and the wisdom of Toth, those are the the different pieces of the body of Osiris, right? Right. So as we bring that back together again and see how they all relate to each other, that's how we're rebuilding Atlantis. We're building the new Atlantis. And it's to preserve and to utilize this wisdom of Toth, who who the in the sciences and the philosophies of Toth. And one other example of this, I think that's worth pointing out is when Toth is represented as an ebus bird, uh the ebus bird is known for doing two things. First of all, it's a black, white, and red bird, which were the colors of Egypt, those were the colors of of Atlantis, and those are the colors of alchemy. Right? That's the reason why the Templars adopted those colors. Right? And a snake was always a symbol of of energy or power. Um so he was ingesting it into himself, the power, that energy. Uh but it's also known for it'll it'll it'll stand on one leg and it holds uh the other leg up, and oftentimes it'll hold a a pebble or a stone in that leg. And what it'll do is if it if it starts to fall asleep, it drops the pebble, which wakes it back up again, right? And so and so doing it's able to remain in a state of uh not unconsciousness, but not conscious, right? That borderline state where uh mystical uh and uh yeah, mystical impressions, you know, can come through, you know, that that that that deeper aspects of our consciousness. And this is part of what Toth is talking about, you know, in terms of you know that's that's where we're all connected to that universal consciousness, is that that that borderline state and uh and you know this is part of that symbolism, that's why he's depicted as a as an ebus bird, you know. Uh it's not like you actually was an ebus bird. Right. Um and and and the last part of that is Osiris, according to the the tradition, is raised by Isis and Sekhmet. Of course, Sekhmet's the lioness, right? She's she's got a lion head. But she but she's just like uh the Sphinx is is part person, part lion, right? But the idea is is it's pointing back to this time period of the age of Leo, the lion, which is in fact uh when the younger dryest cataclysm occurred. Yes. And which Toth came out of to rebuild civilization. So all of these symbol all the symbolism and these myths are are pointing to to actual historical ideas about a you know, this root civilization uh that was destroyed and then the the teachings of Toth were preserved and need to be refound and re put back together again so we can rebuild that that Atlantis, create a new Atlantis. Right. And that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Yeah, that's exactly what we're doing. Yeah, through consciousness, it seems as if the teaching of Toth have uh it's almost like what they say in Christianity, the second coming, yeah, which is the second coming of the Christ consciousness.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Absolutely. And uh a hundred percent, and that Christ consciousness is that universal consciousness. And and and to emphasize that point, uh it should be pointed out that near uh the Valley of the Kings in in Egypt is the area of Najemundi, where the Najemundi scrolls were found, you know, these these apocryphal texts associated with early Christianity, you know, where we we find the earliest, some of the earliest versions of the Christian text, but we also find them with Hermetic texts. You know, Hermetic texts, you know, associated with Hermes, who was Toth, were buried, these scrolls were buried with the New Testament scrolls, which just shows that those early Christians or or you know, these early uh some believe they were Essenes or others, uh they were valuing the Hermetic text, the the the writings of Toth just as much as the writings of Jesus. And in fact, there's a lot of crossover between the two, you know, where they're there, you know, uh if you look at the Corpus Hermeticum, which is another Hermetic text, you know, it it says uh you know, Toth Hermes says uh, you know, I am mind, I am the uh I am the word, I am the and all these ideas that you also find Jesus saying. So there was a there was a lot more of a crossover there than most biblical scholars give credit to because they're not even familiar with these Hermetic writings. You know, they they may study the Daj Hamundi Library and some of the the texts there, but they just kind of ignore the fact that there's also Hermetic writings included in them and uh because it's not convenient for their narrative that they're trying to condition people into.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

Exactly. Yeah, they they just uh forget about them or they ignore them. That's the exact great term to use. Yeah. Um, and uh what I saw when I studied the Emerald Tablets was a lot of parallels, like you said, between the New Testament uh teachings of Jesus and the ancient teachings of the Atlantean. Right. So it begs asked the question which came first, the chicken or the egg. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And uh it's like, wow, you can see these teachings permeated all the way into that era.

SPEAKER_02 50:30

Yeah, well, and we even find uh, you know, I just mentioned how Toth was able to restore uh Horace's uh blind eye with his spittle, right? We find in the Christian text Jesus doing the exact same thing, you know. So it's it it it it clearly comes from these earlier sources. I mean, yeah uh and and we could do a whole show just on uh on the the parallels between Jesus and the Egyptian myths, you know, everything Jesus did you find the Egyptian myths, same with Moses, which is the whole reason why you know Moses was competing with the Egyptian priests supposedly doing the same miracles. So it's uh but but it it all goes back to those wisdom teachings of Toth, you know, and the Egyptians acknowledge that, the ancient Egyptians acknowledge that, and uh uh i i I I I believe that if Christianity uh starts to look into that more, it it'll it'll add much more flavor to Christianity itself because uh much more meaning to to uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:43

Well the teachings are powerful. Yeah, exactly. If you follow these teachings, you will become a nice, better person, yeah, a loving person. You learn how to love yourself, you learn how to love others, yeah. You learn how to uplift and be of service to others, right? And you learn how to build an organized community and try to make the world a better place.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Absolutely, and it's a recognition that we are all one mind. Yes, right, all is mind. Yeah, even the emerald tablet itself says uh all things came into being through the meditation of the one. You know, therefore we are all part of that one mind. Yes, and uh the more we come to realize that's where the gnosis is, right? That's where the divine knowledge comes about. Yeah. And uh that that Hermes or Toth also talks about in a number of different texts, including the Corpus or Medicum. Yeah. So um, and this is really what what Jesus was trying to say when he said, Love thy neighbor as thyself. Well, it's because your neighbor is yourself. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

We were all one mind, you know. And the minds have a saying, Inla Kek alakin, I am another you. So that's right. I am you. I am you, right? Yeah, right. That's right. Again, a cult the cultures say the same thing all over the world.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

Now, you know, there are some accounts of potentially the Emerald Tabits or a version of them could be hidden in this hall of records, maybe under the scene. Under the Sphinx, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

Uh I yeah, there there I mean there there is a all we can say there is that there there have been you know, I was I was I was uh upset recently. Mr. Beast just did a thing uh on uh did a show with uh Zahi Was where they went into the butt of the Sphinx, you know, and and there's nothing there, and they're like, see, look, you can go in the in the Sphinx and there's nothing here, yeah, which was a pure propaganda piece because we know there's other entrances into the Sphinx. There's one in the head, one in the back, one in the side, and one supposedly under the right paw.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

Videos of me opening and looking in that opening there by the right paw.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Yeah, that's right. And so and and there's been uh uh uh I don't know what the there's been there's been studies where they've they've been able to determine uh through you know different technology that there is something under the right paw. Grandpa radar. Right, yeah, exactly. Grandpa radar. There's there's uh there's some sort of cavity under the right paw. And we we also know if you go if you if you if you uh walk with around the uh Great Pyramid itself, uh there are areas where you can actually see passageways going from the Sphinx to the Great Pyramid. You could see the roof structure of those passageways and uh l leading to the Sphinx. According to tradition, there is a hall of records of some kind down there. Yeah. And that uh and it where this information, this Atlantean information is preserved. Uh even within mystery traditions like Freemasonry, uh, you know, the the the master mason's grip is also known as the lion's paw.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

And it's uh and it's emphasizing this because the idea, the lion's, the who's the lion? It's it's the sphinx.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

You know, so the lion's paw would be his right paw, which is of course right under that, is where we find this hall of records, you know, pointing to this tradition. So, you know, I believe there's a hall of records down there. There's there were early Templar excavations down there that that found something uh alluding to this idea. Uh but now the Egyptian government has it completely closed off and and Zahir was doing this propaganda piece, even though he's not the head of antiquities anymore. Right. Uh, but he's become a propaganda piece. Uh and uh you know it's it's kind of sad.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

Yeah, yeah. Controlling the flow of information, controlling just the discoveries, taking claim of discoveries that are uh have been well known and documented for a while, not giving you true credit, and of course obfuscating the truth behind the discoveries and showing, like for example, this thing he did with Mr. Beast. Um just kind of uh really it's just dogma.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

It is. Yeah. But you know, there there are traditions like the Sabaeans of uh of uh Haran who who were who still go to the which was Turkey, area of Turkey, not far from Gobleckitepe. Yeah. Uh you know, Gobleckitepe was was originally associated with uh the o uh an Osiran uh hall of records uh is what it was referred to. Yeah. Um and uh we know there were there were Templar excavations there clear back in the 1200s. There's Templar graffiti all around there and uh they were trying to track this stuff down, the wisdom of Toth. I mean uh and so go Blucky Tepe's another place which was like one of these preservation centers uh that was associated with the wisdom of Toth. So again, all seem to be pointing back to this the wisdom of this ancient civilization that Toth was trying to preserve the the the the teachings of. And uh and everybody now has all these different parts around the world have parts of it that we just have to put it back together again.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

It's a giant puzzle. Giant puzzle. Yeah, and you know, speaking of Gobekli Tepe, we just came back from Gobekli Tepe in September. Hold on a second. Sorry. Okay. So speaking of Gobekli Tepe, we just came back from there in September. Um, and you know, when you're there, they try to tell you that the Neolithic people were responsible for building this ancient site, which to me was just my mind couldn't, I couldn't grasp that. People who couldn't build a front door and a window and had to climb over the wall to go home at night couldn't could possibly build this uh this amazing structure which stores all this immense knowledge. Right. Um, but that's the story they're going with. But but our research tells us different. I'm just happy that they were able to push the date of at least mankind's civilization back from five or six thousand years to at least twelve, thirteen thousand. Right. But also which points to what you talked about earlier, this younger dryest period of this era where we had this catastrophe in that region, which decimated a lot of things and created this potential regional flood or partly global flood, maybe even a potential full global flood. Um, and the evidence there is that, you know, of course, that place was covered by mud. Now, some researchers and archaeologists, mainstream, say that the mud or the soil that covered Gobekli Tepe isn't even from Gobekli Tepe. No. Which is really bizarre. Really bizarre. They're saying that it could be from hundreds of miles away, which means that the mud flow concept or idea, it kind of falls apart a little bit. They're saying that it was purposefully buried, and that would take a lot of resources of a very small civilization to to bury Gobekli Tepe, which is a massive area. They've only uncovered a small percentage. Right. Yeah, like one fortieth, I think. Right, right. It's crazy. Yeah. And so we're thinking like uh when you look around the world at a lot of these ancient sites, you begin to see that they seem to have been decommissioned in some strange way. Like the apex of the pyramids taken away, the resonating rods in the grand gallery taken away. Right. Right? Uh temples, the architecture broken in a way that they can't function and harness the energy properly. Why do you think, or do you have any idea or hypothesis on why this seems to be a global phenomenon where these decommissioned sites seem to be laying around?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

Uh all you know, I I believe personally that uh all these sites were originally part of this vast network, right, that uh that were associated with this Atlantean tradition. Yeah. And that uh they were on a world grid where they probably were able to somehow provide basically broadcasted energy that was transmitted to all the different sites and uh you know, it used the earth itself as a as a as a generator for that, you know, the the between the earth, the sun, and the moon, yeah. You know, they were able to to to create this energy. Um now in modern days uh you know we see what happens once when you try to provide free energy, which we saw that happen with Tesla and JP Morgan. You know, JP Morgan said, Well, where do you put the meter? Yeah, you know, how are you gonna make money off of it? And so if you provide free energy, yeah. So that would be a modern reason why these things would be decommissioned. But I think in the ancient world, uh you know, we uh you could tell they in some instances they were trying to preserve they they had to have built these things prior to the cataclysm. They were trying to preserve it from the cataclysm. Uh later in ancient Egypt, we know they they f I believe they found a number of these sites and they tried to preserve it as best they could. I mean, we see that with the Sphinx, for example. I mean, uh the the first restoration project, you know, w when supposedly the Sphinx was discovered, uh that's really when they did the f or was built. That's really when they were did the first restoration projects on it. Um and we find uh even some of the temples like like Luxor, uh you know, where we find all these mud bricks that are around it. Yeah. Uh that that may have come from early preservation efforts. Uh some people believe that uh many of the obelisk and other things that we find in Egypt had already been there and and the Egyptians just kind of put their names on it. Right. You know what I mean? Yes, yeah. They didn't have the technology to do some of this stuff. No. So we have to ask ourselves who did, and and again, it it points to this root civilization that were able to do things that we have trouble even doing now. Yeah. I mean, you you do the you look at you go to uh the Serapium, those uh those uh boxes that are down there, yeah, um are the granite is so hard uh how they were even able to carve them out, yeah. Um we we would have a tough time even being able to do that today. So uh certainly the Egyptians with their copper tools couldn't couldn't have done it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

I don't think copper tools and chicken bones did the job that they told us. That's right. Copper chisels and chicken bones. Right. Can do uh something as hard as diorite and granite, very high on the Moses scale of hardness.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:32

And uh speaking of the Serapium, I I take people on tour to Egypt every year. Yeah. We just took a big tour there with, as you know, Mohammed Ibrahim and his beautiful wife Noha. Yep. Saba tours, yeah. Stargate tours. Absolutely. And uh we go to the Serapium underground, which I believe, my personal opinion, uh, I didn't read this anywhere, but my personal opinion based on research seems it's probably a halls of a menti of one of one of the halls of a menti.

unknown 1:05:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:39

That those boxes could be rejuvenation chambers.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:42

They could be. Um absolutely. I I I'm kind of under the same opinion. They could they are they could have been rejuvenation chambers. They also some of them could have been used as uh storage, uh, you know, for seeds and stuff, and and maybe even the monarch. the monoatomic elements uh during the cataclysm.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

You know, they had uh they had to have uh in which case even there they they had to have known it was coming and so they they they had to have built all that to preserve it. I mean what we do know is when the Egyptians found that place and I do believe the Egyptians found it you know they were so blown away by it uh they they tried to preserve it they offered sacrifice bull sacrifices which is what led to the ridiculous idea that they were sarcophaguses for bulls yeah which they're clean on the inside so clean and pristine on the inside that's right and and and they were even the Egyptians they were they were so this shows the the the opposites of on the one hand you have this amazing technology that we we can't do today yeah and on the other hand the Egyptians were eating the dirt yeah from the from inside the area because they thought it might have magical qualities you know from from uh you know whoever built it so they definitely attributed it to the gods you know and and we can argue who are the gods you know I mean and uh of which Toth was one of them. Very clear in the writing so um you know were they were they the uh the survivors of of the Atlantean tradition that were were bringing that technology to the region and the the knowledge to the region uh were they star beings you know that had set up a a uh uh colony uh here on earth which we now call Atlantis I mean all those things can be argued yeah uh and you can make a case for either or both or the maybe they're one and the same yeah uh but uh it definitely the Egyptians were trying to preserve this thing that uh that these superior beings uh had had had left for them the legacy you know absolutely yeah so they call them the the Netheru or the netters that yeah at the time of Zeptepi turned mud into a kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:19

Yeah that's right so turning the mud into a kingdom to me references some type of a catastrophe that had happened yeah to rebuild that civilization and then thoth opens up in the Emerald Tablet saying that he's here to rebuild or bring Kemet back up to a high level of civilization meaning it had once before been a high level right of civilization.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

Absolutely well and you find the same thing in the with the Nawato cultures in the Americas I mean they referred to them as the Itzil you know which just meant uh like water wizard or water sorcerer like they were able to to to take water you know uh and and and convert it into something else you know I mean and and of course when we consider the flood that that was associated with that cataclysm you know it was would be you know out of that though out of those waters they were able to create something you know so yeah just incredible yeah um let's talk a little bit about uh some of the Knights Templar knowledge yeah the Templars were known to have searched for the lost wisdom of Jerusalem and other ancient artifacts around the world yeah can you touch on that and how it may affect this sure absolutely yeah the Templar order was originally set up during the crusades uh there was a fear that there were certain families in in France and in other places that that were preserving hermetic texts the uh and Gnostic texts they of you know that were associated with toth or hermes and uh you know one was the albigintians in southern France but there were others there's the Bogomils in Bulgaria and and there there were there was Apolline uh Gnostics that were in the Armenia area and and others but they were there was a fear that when the crusaders went into Jerusalem that they were going to find texts and technology that they wouldn't understand and it would become destroyed or it would be turned over to the Roman church and it would disappear. Right. Right because it it can it was contrary to the narrative that the Roman church was pushing at the time. So so what they did is they created the Knights Templar to go down and find this and not only to find these artifacts uh in Jerusalem but anywhere else you know to try to bring the the the lost pieces of Atlantis back together again. And so the Templar order originally they went to Jerusalem uh they they were digging under the Temple or Temple Mount they found a number of artifacts but it also then led them to Egypt in particular the area between Giza and Saqqarah which was known as Rastau in the Egyptian tradition. Well if you if you transliterate Rosa in Egyptian into Latin Ros means rose and tau means cross so the the Templars adopted a rose cross wow as a symbol related to that knowledge from from that area. When they went into Egypt they set up their uh main commandery uh at at Philae at the Temple of Isis which is why you to this day if you go there you find Templar crosses carved all around it. They were working with the Coptic church that was preserving some of the Egyptian elements in the region. They also did archaeological work at the Temple of Hathor uh and they set up a preceptory which you can still find the remnants of right next to the temple of Hathor at Dendera they they they they were doing research there they also went to Esna to Edfu to uh uh elephantine island and which is why even to this day you'll still find Templar monuments at all of these locations you'll find a monument with a Templar cross on it and that was from the 1200s so they were they were researching all of these areas they were trying to find wisdom and they were trying to find these arcs like the Ark of the Covenant which were depicted on all the temple walls in fact the first ark they found was at the temple of Seti I at uh Abydos uh you know where you also find the Ossyrian there's actually a room uh it's it's closed to the public but there is a chamber at at that temple which depicts an ark and an ark under transportation on a boat and you'll find Templar graffiti from the 1200s of three red Templar crosses surrounding one of the arcs depicted on the wall because that's where they found one of them. And the belief was that all of these arcs which were stored in the sanctum sanctorum of all these temples were like power generators they were capacitors and when you put the mana in them or the the monoatomic gold which was superconductive it just built up a tremendous amount of static electricity which was just then kind of broadcasted around the temple. And if you go to and if you go to a number of these places you also find uh these stones around the perimeters of the temples that have these what were known as butterfly clamps in them. Yes you can see them. Yeah and you see them where there was kind of two stones go together and in between them is this kind of looks almost looks like a butterfly and it and there used to be metal in those. Yeah and they would act almost like a zipper that would go all around the temple. So when the ark was generating the static electricity that that that perimeter would just would hold it all and it would and that whole temple would be filled with this static electricity. So if you if you went to touch like a god statue or something you'd get shocked and you know people would think that was magic. Yeah yeah but but this energy it was believed that this energy would be transmitted you know through the also through the obelisk and everything else uh to create not just within Egypt but around the world uh along these electromagnetic lines of force that we refer to as ley lines now and this is how the energy was transmitted to all the different sacred sites around the world and this was part of the technology of Atlantis so the Templars were trying to find these things to bring back to Europe originally to um to try to create a new Atlantis in Europe or a new Jerusalem as it was also referred to as but Europe was too stable uh too unstable you know between all the wars the religious wars and everything else that was happening there so it it was all brought over to the to the Americas with the hopes that uh a new country could be established which was the United States of America to to create a new Atlantis where all people from around the world could come and have the freedoms that were needed to uh really dive into the the mysteries of TOF yeah right and and the and and which was the the the secrets of Atlantis so we could rebuild this new Atlantis in this new world yeah uh I don't want to say new world order that sounds bad you know what I mean that's not what I'm talking about but but you know a new a new world framework where we could we could all work together and and you know revive that civilization. Right. So that was that was the the mission of the Templars and it still continues to be the mission to this day.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:58

You can see a lot of that encoded wisdom in the structures built throughout for example Washington DC yeah right you can see that in the the obelisk that we have there of course and at the Library of Congress I remember visiting the Library of Congress and there's a giant door there and there's Thoth etched into the door to go into the Library of Congress.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:22

That's right. Yeah that's the that's the wisdom you know that's the wisdom of preservation there.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

I mean you find that in other cities too you know I'm from Denver uh you know Denver the downtown is set up completely based on these principles and and where the original Grand Lodge of uh Freemasonry used to be it's in a new new area now down in Colorado Springs but in Denver there's a giant obelisk clock tower that was the original Grand Lodge building and and to this day still over the doors you see uh an image of Hermes you know who of course was toth you know so you can see the effect even in modern society modern civilization today of this uh this character who seems to just uh go through time yeah you know he said that uh he would walk amongst men but unlike a man that he had the ability to rejuvenate bodies right and to transfer his consciousness from one body to another and so some of these things sound so mystical and out there but when we look at modern science yeah uh we look at the Avatar project with DARPA mm-hmm they have been able to transfer a human's mind into a field robot conscious link yeah 2045.com uh Ray Kurtzwill's in charge of that I believe where that's his project and where they're transferring they transferred a monkey's consciousness into a computer and then the next step was to a robot which is a human being to a robot which they've done and now by 2045 is to be able to transfer the mind into another body.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:59

I mean so all this stuff is coming to fruition now you talk about the alchemy earlier about converting um you know alchemically converting metals into gold yeah they just did that about four years ago in modern science in a real laboratory now it's a very expensive process to create one tiny nugget sure but I'm pretty sure in the future that will be reduced in some way. Yeah uh just like creating antimatter is extremely expensive but they'll find a way to make it more profitable and make it uh make the price go down to for for production but they can now alchemically convert base metals into gold.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:32

Yeah yeah absolutely yeah I mean the science is there it's it's doable yeah uh even the even the uh this idea of of being able to move the the uh the consciousness of of a of a human into a robot or something some some believe that that's really what the uh some of these so-called gray aliens are you know they're just automaton robots that have consciousness you know projected into them from elsewhere right you know to try to you know it it makes sense if you were if you were if you were gonna if you wanted to travel to some other part of the soul of the galaxy uh you you'd probably send a drone right yeah I mean that's really all all a yeah a robot is is is a it's a drone and if you're able to project your consciousness into it then you could still go and interact and see and do everything without actually you know physically hurting your body.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:31

Right. So and the mind the speed of thought is faster than the speed of light.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:35

So the consciousness link bypasses the speed of light through something called quantum entanglement.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

Yeah that's exactly right yeah yeah which again also ties in this idea that we're all one consciousness too we're living in a in the Emerald Tablet uh uh it says that all things were created through the meditation of the one within the mind of the one yeah what's being implied there is regardless of what you want to call God or you know Allah or or or Yahweh or the the or the great architect whatever whatever you want to call him it doesn't matter the name but the idea is if if that being let's say that being is all that is the only way it's gonna be able to create because there's nothing outside of itself to create with right the only way it's gonna be able to create is within its own mind right thus implying that we are living in the mind of the creator. Correct right and if we're living in the mind of the creator we are all a part of that mind. Yep and this is what Toth was was trying to say and that uh you know it's kind of matrixy to think about it all this all seems like real or you know hard you know whatever matter to us but it it's the would be the mind stuff of the creator and this is what you know modern physicists of the 20th century like uh like Heisenberg and and uh Maxville Planck and others they were all saying the more they looked at the the the subatomic particles that make up reality yeah the more they had to acknowledge that we seem to be living in a mind you know that all energy is just the mind stuff of a creator. Yeah and uh since we're part of that mind yeah you know we're we're uh we are uh we're a fractal of God we're a fractal of God exactly there's a there's a medieval text called Parcival which is one of the first holy grail stories right and in which it says the Templars are the guardians of the Holy Grail but in it uh there's a character named Treviserinth the hermit uh well well well her hermit the word hermit comes from hermes yeah and Trevisrent means threefold knower so so this character is Hermes Trismegestus attributed with the emerald tablet who is toth uh but but in the story Percival when he attains the Holy Grail Treviserinth the hermit says to him Percival through your own efforts you have changed God's law and what he's saying there is we are with our own thoughts and actions we are co-creators with that universal mind yeah we're acting within the universal mind but we're co-creators with it. Correct right and that's a profound statement to make yeah because it means we have the power to change this mindfield that we live in. Yeah and uh and in so doing the creator learns more about itself. Correct yeah and and so it's a once you start thinking that way it changes everything in terms of you're no longer a victim in life right you're a co-creator of life and your thoughts have power yeah for good or for bad to change everything. And so we have to be careful about our thinking and about our interactions with each other. And this is where this is naturally leads us to this idea of compassion and love of one another and working together to build a more incredible potential future for all of us.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:51

Right. Yeah absolutely it's so powerful what you just said because it's something that I wholeheartedly believe yeah that God like you say Yahweh Allah whatever you want to call it frequency universe nature God is um God is living through all of us subjectively to to gain a perspective on what it's like to be Timothy Hogan what it's like to be Billy Carson what is it like to be an atom in this microphone. That's right. What is it like to be a rock yeah a blade of grass and all that information is being transmitted in real time back to the source consciousness in order for it to experience it experience what is what is this what is it like in the third dimension? Yeah. What is it to be here? What is it to experience it from every aspect and I think this is where the omnipresent and omnipotent concept of God comes from is that God is inhabiting every corner of the entire known universe.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:44

Yeah that's that's right well and that's really like from a Masonic perspective that's the reason why God is represented by an all-seeing eye with the idea that he's always watching of course he's always watching because it's all within his consciousness exactly it's everywhere it's everywhere. Yeah I mean in in the gospel of Thomas it's uh Jesus says you know uh split a piece of of wood and I am there lift a rock and I am there you know I mean with this idea that that universal consciousness is is everywhere you know he he's speaking as the Christos that universal consciousness so it's uh yeah it's all there and and the sciences and teachings of Toth were trying to to emphasize that fact yes and and and and emphasize ways of utilizing that. Yeah and and that's what we have to get back to with our sciences and with our religion yeah uh with our uh with our our our moral acting in the world towards each other yeah uh and the more we wake up to that the more of a you know paradise we can create of this place.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:54

Exactly so the mission seems to be based on the Animal Tabitz writings that I've read and the writings of thoth the mission seems to be to bring heaven to earth. Yes. In other words not to wait to die so you can live but to begin to live now and create the paradise in the golden age right here.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:08

That's absolutely right yeah yeah I agree with that I agree with that a hundred percent and that is the new Jerusalem right there that is the that is the second coming of Christ right because yeah the first coming is is Jesus speaking as the Christos but the second coming is the Christos of the universal consciousness being woken within ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:30

Yes yeah yeah absolutely powerful powerful stuff powerful stuff yeah and the root of of so much yeah yeah and it's just really just the tip of the iceberg right the depth of the knowledge some say that the Emerald Tablets and I I seem to have found this myself the more that you read them the more enlightened you become yeah why do you think that is uh because it I believe uh as as you are a two

SPEAKER_02 1:28:03

I mean the Emerald Tablets, they also talk about, you know, other things like Dark the Dark Brotherhoods. You know, I mean, and they're there are always these are the doubting Thomases, these are the people that are out there who um don't haven't figured out yet. They're so attached to matter and trying to control matter, yeah, that they don't realize matter is just a subset of a much bigger consciousness field. And uh and and and they through fear and manipulation uh and trying to keep people feeling small, uh that's how they keep them enslaved to to matter and uh and not realizing their potential. Right. But uh those who are who are devoted to the light uh and to awakening like we are and others, uh it's our duty to remind people who they really are and where they really come from, yeah, and what the source really is. And uh and those emerald tablets that they are a tool in in helping that awakening.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:20

Uh and and the emerald tablet itself, too. I mean, it's not it's not just about you know doing alchemy to to transmute base metals into gold. I mean, that's a cool thing to do, right? But but it's really about transforming our consciousness from a from a lead state or a a heavy state of attached to matter to one of liberation and light, right, and and more in line with our source.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:48

Right. So, like the alchemy, the alchemical conversion of your consciousness, yeah, absolutely darkness to light.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

Yeah, and and you know, once you are able to do that, then once you realize your consciousness is the consciousness of the creator, then and that it's and that everything we're living in this consciousness field that is is all just vibration. I mean, you you change the vibration, you're gonna change the matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

So yeah, you can transmute base metals into gold, but that's but that's like almost like a parlor trick, yeah, you know, for for the real what's really the biggest the big part of the metaphor. Exactly. The the real gold, which is you know, being able to to realize who you really are and where you really come from, yeah, where you're really going and and who what you're really a part of. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:44

So much bigger. So much bigger. It's a beautiful thing. And just a couple more things. With Thoth, one of the reasons why I revere him is because in all the writings I've read about him and his his his um conversations with mankind, he never proclaimed himself to be a god, as far as I've seen.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:01

Yeah. No, he he he just declared himself to be a master of principles, right? Uh within the God consciousness.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:10

Right, exactly. And he seemed to call himself a son of Atlantis, kind of like how Jesus calls himself a son of man. Yeah. Which is a pretty interesting correlation there as well. Yep. Never proclaims to be the creator of everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:23

No, no, just a master of understanding it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:27

Yeah, yeah, just a master, which is just incredible because to me it shows like, hey, I'm really here to help you. Yeah. And to bring you to my level. Yeah, that's right. You know, and uh, and and he tries to teach mankind the different levels that he can actually achieve and get to through utilizing his teachings.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:43

Yeah, that's right. Uh and you know, he he is re referred to, for example, he's referred to as master of the word. Right? Well, what's what's a word? You know, word, word is what's used to define things, and as we define things, we we're def we're describing our relationship to them. Yeah. Um, but uh, you know, when you look at uh even in uh uh uh gospel of John, in the beginning was the word, uh and the word was with God and the word was God, uh when we connect that with what Toth is saying, when he's the master of the word, yeah. He's saying, Look, I'm I'm a master of this vibrational field that uh was at the beginning and is connected to the consciousness of God. And uh and if you follow my teachings or my way, yeah, you can be master of that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

Uh I mean even Jesus said that. He said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, these miracles you see me perform you shall do also, and those even greater than these.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:56

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:56

Well, the only way you can do that is by being a master of the word, you know, like like Toth talks about. Exactly. It's it's uh it's it's all connected there. Yeah, it's all connected, and it's all about our potential. You know, it's it's not one of the things that the Templars uh when they viewed Jesus, they viewed him as the great exemplar. Uh not necessarily as a savior, right? But as a great exemplar. Because if you can if you can embody that universal consciousness like he did, then that's what saves you. Yeah. You know, but it's through your own actions. It's not it's not like you do the crime, Jesus does the time, like most people believe, you know. Like you just believe in him, yeah, you'll be fine. But from a Templar perspective, it's like, no, you have to you have to come to be like him, an embodiment of that universal consciousness.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:55

Yeah, he's like the Template.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:57

This is he's the Template, and that's why the Templars, their full name was the Poor Knights of Christ of the Temple of Solomon. In other words, they were they weren't the poor knights of Jesus, they were the poor knights of Christ, the Christos, the universal consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:13

And uh that universal consciousness, which is uh what Toth was tapping into and what Jesus was tapping into, uh there and what others were tapping into, uh that's what we need to tap into. When we do that, we become like Toth. Right, exactly. We become like Jesus, we become like Muhammad, we become, peace be upon him, right. We become like Moses, you know. Uh so these are this is fundamental to who we are and who we're becoming.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:50

Right, absolutely. So it just seems like these are the base teachings, the base teachings of most religions around the entire planet. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, the root, root, root teachings. You can see that um where mankind's interjection into some of these teachings had gone astray by adding a little too much influence to the words to some for the power of purpose uh uh control and absolutely. But when you get back to the core teachings, yeah, it's about really becoming enlightened and awakened and being born again in the spirit.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:21

Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. And even the temples that are built around the world, you know, all of these temples are are uh they're aligned with star systems, and uh most of them the same star systems, uh, you know, uh Orion being one, uh uh the Pleiades being another. But they but they uh the reason why they're a in fact the word temple comes from templum, which means time, and it was time was based on the movement of stars, right? Right, and who our relative position to stars. So uh but the what they were creating was an as above so below relationship, yeah. Uh which comes again from this idea that Toth was was emphasizing. Right. Uh even um you know, like you go to uh Tulum and and the uh uh down in Mexico, those Mayan temples are all aligned with the Pleiades, yeah. Whereas the you know the the pyramids of Egypt, the great at least the Giza Plateau is is aligned with the stars of Orion's belt, um as uh Robert Bouval was able to uh demonstrate. Uh but uh you you find this all over the world with with all these temples, and uh it it again it it seems to suggest our relationship on earth to the the heavens. Yeah. Uh the Templars when they built the cathedrals of of southern France, uh all the cathedrals of Notre Dame, uh from Notre Dame of Paris to to Chart to Amiens and those were all aligned to the constellation of Virgo uh which you know was Our Lady, right? Hence why they were called Notre Dame, you know. Um but but again it was it was it was all about this as above so below relationship that Toth emphasized. So um we we uh we owe a lot to the the Hermetic teachings and to the which all go back to Toth and and those Egyptian preservation of Toth's teachings, which were said to go back to Atlantis.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:44

Yeah, absolutely. Just a powerful talk today, man. You're a you're a a wealth of knowledge and wisdom. You're like a walking library. Well, so are you. So it makes for a great conversation. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. You know, it's always good to hear have other people come in and and let them speak on these topics so that it's not only my voice, but other voices from people that have knowledge and different perspectives on everything, yeah, which is incredible. So thanks for being on the show today.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:09

Thank thank you for having me, Billy. Uh I'd love to do it anytime you want to do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:13

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SPEAKER_02 1:38:47

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SPEAKER_00 1:39:02

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